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minutes, pope benedict xvi is expected to board a helicopter and leave the vatican for good. he also said he will pray for them as they choose a successor. joining me now father robert ber rain. and investigative journalnyist and daily beast intruder. 2:00 eastern time, the pope is going to read the first in 600 years to step down. talk to me about his legacy, father. >> part of the interpretation of vatican 2. both he and john paul ii saw their papacies an attempt to interpret vatican too properly. not so much a modernization of the church, vatican ii was an evangelical missionary council. to some degree modernizing to make the church a more apt meaning to that. hence the wide travel for example of john paul ii, hence the great teaching of benedict xvi. i think that's his major legacy. >> they're very different at least in their style and in their i guess pastor abilities in some way, although not very different philosophically. >> this has been a really unsuccessful papacy and the greatest single act of his papacy is that our church is in real trouble and i am not able to cope with the
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